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Should students be allowed to have concealed carry weapons on campus?

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By Katelyn Oster

Posted Nov 16, 2011

For the thousands of Buckeyes on OSU campus at all times, the threat of crime may be the last thing on their minds. Finals week, Thanksgiving break and scheduling classes approach in the distance as fall quarter rapidly draws to an end.

But should it be the last thing on their minds? OSU student and engineering major Mike Newbern doesn’t think so.

“There have been four incidents in the last two weeks within three blocks of campus,” he said. “The important thing to understand is that bad guys are not going to stop getting guns, which is why it’s important for us to restore the rights of staff, students and faculty so that they can protect themselves while on campus.”

He is talking about restoring conceal carry rights to those on campus, an idea being talked about more frequently in light of the recent crimes.

Currently, a select few campuses allow CHL holders to carry concealed weapons on school grounds, including Colorado State University, Blue Ridge Community College in Virginia and all public colleges and universities in the state of Utah.

In the past few weeks there have been several threats to student safety, the most recent being a brutal assault on a student early Sunday morning. The student, Aaron Peacock, was robbed and beaten by two men, who left him with multiple fractures in his orbitals, a lacerated spleen and a broken nose, and badly bruised eyes.

He also had to have bone fragments removed from his swollen cheeks.

Aside from this most recent cast, OSU has issued three other crime alerts since an incident that took place on Oct, 30. The first incident in the recent string was an armed robbery that took place at W. 10th Avenue and Worthington Street, in which the attackers held a gun to the victim while taking his property.

A similar incident occurred on Nov. 3 in which four suspects robbed a student, one holding a gun to his head then telling him to run away after stealing his property.

The third incident happened two days later to a female student between Waldec and Tuller when two suspects demanded her to hand over her money. When she started screaming, they ran away.

A recent glance at CrimeReports.com shows that 71 violent crimes occurred on campus in the 30-day period ending Nov. 6. These crimes include robberies, assaults and homicides, all taking place within the area surrounding East Campus from High to 4th and 5th to East/West Oakland.

The inception of the group “Buckeyes for Conceal Carry” was fairly recent, although Newbern, the group’s founder, has wanted to start something like this for years. “Buckeyes for Conceal Carry” held their first meeting Monday, Nov. 7 in the Ohio Union to discuss their future plans.

Not yet a recognized organization by the university, the group plans to apply to be a student group as soon as possible. According to the group’s Facebook page, their primary goal is to dispel the common myths and misconceptions about concealed carry laws on college campuses through accessible education.

“The image most people have of firearms is that which Hollywood presents; that is not a healthy image. Gun control does nothing but make it harder for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves,” said Newbern.

The group’s second goal, as per their website, is to push state legislators and school administrators to grant concealed handgun license holders the same rights on college campuses that those licensees have in most other unsecured locations.

OSU Chief of Police Paul Denton, however, said he’s not sure allowing students to have concealed weapons will necessarily make campus safer.

“The majority of these crimes occur in areas where it is perfectly legal to carry a concealed weapon,” he said. “I respect and uphold the constitutional rights of citizens protected by the Second Amendment; it is a complicated issue, but changing the law alone to allow conceal carry on campus will not solve the crime issues at hand. “

Even if legislation was passed, there are certain facilities where conceal carry would be still be prohibited. The University Workplace and Family Relationship Violence Policy 7.05 states that all faculty, staff and student employees are not permitted to carry deadly weapons on university grounds. The student code of conduct also would restrict the legislation, as well as the contractual agreement in student housing that states there will be no firearms permitted on the grounds.

“I disagree with the thought that carrying guns on campus would make it a safer place,” Denton said. “The best way to make campus safer is by training law enforcement.”

Many students, though, attended the first meeting, eager to contribute to the cause of loosening up the strict OSU policies for firearms on campus.

“Philosophically, I agree with being able to carry on campus if you have a concealed handgun license; I agreed with it even before I owned my own gun,” said OSU senior Christian Malone, a student majoring in political science. “This is an issue I’ve advocated for many years now.”

Other students disagree that this freedom would be an appropriate way to handle the crime situation many are faced with.

“I think allowing guns on campus would go against the core ideology behind getting a higher education,” said fourth year business finance major Emily Lanzillotta. “Academics are supposed to be a safe haven for those who want to solve problems with their minds. Inviting weapons into this area would only create tension and unrest, going against the purpose of being here at Ohio State.”

For some, it’s a more of a matter of trust. Can you trust those on campus who would have the new freedom to carry concealed weapons if the current restrictions were not in place?

“I think it’s a horrible idea,” said second year Chemistry major Joshua Ganzberg. I don’t trust college students enough to drive responsibly, let alone carry a concealed weapon.”

OSU physics third year Andy Conley said concealed carry restrictions create ‘danger zones.’

“If rules for concealed carrying are inconsistent, people are not safe in these areas and are even targeted there,” he said.

For students interested in learning more, the group is considering hosting range trips, concealed carry classes and general safety classes in the future. It’s easy to learn more by simply visiting their group page on Facebook. For the time being, the group’s primary focus is education of students, staff and faculty.

“I think it’s better to educate and enable than to inhibit. After all, what’s scarier than the unknown?” said second year OSU actuarial science major Amy Wiley.

To learn more about conceal carry laws on campuses around the nation, visit www.concealcampus.com or attend a Buckeyes for Conceal Carry meeting on campus starting next quarter.

Comments

Mike Newbern @ 11/16/2011 12:51 am

Kudos to UWeekly for addressing an issue the "Official" paper has yet to acknowledge.

KC Clark @ 11/16/2011 03:46 am

Chief Denton, At least one of the crimes that was emailed to all students happened to a student that was on his/her way to campus. So while it would have been legal for that student to carry a handgun where the attack occurred, that student could not have been armed at that time since there would have been no way to disarm upon reaching the campus border. OSU's not allowing concealed carry makes sure all law abiding students are unarmed when going to and from campus. Mr. Ganzberg, You have to be 21 in Ohio before you can get a concealed carry license. Ms. Lanzillotta, Life would be wonderful if OSU was a safe haven, but it's not. Fortunately for me, the worst I've experienced has been one bike and one car stereo stolen, plus watching my apartment doorknob turn due to thieves looking for unlocked doors. OTOH, I had a girlfriend grabbed at High St./Woodruff Ave. and raped. An old friend of mine is doing life now because he decided to start... more
Chief Denton, At least one of the crimes that was emailed to all students happened to a student that was on his/her way to campus. So while it would have been legal for that student to carry a handgun where the attack occurred, that student could not have been armed at that time since there would have been no way to disarm upon reaching the campus border. OSU's not allowing concealed carry makes sure all law abiding students are unarmed when going to and from campus. Mr. Ganzberg, You have to be 21 in Ohio before you can get a concealed carry license. Ms. Lanzillotta, Life would be wonderful if OSU was a safe haven, but it's not. Fortunately for me, the worst I've experienced has been one bike and one car stereo stolen, plus watching my apartment doorknob turn due to thieves looking for unlocked doors. OTOH, I had a girlfriend grabbed at High St./Woodruff Ave. and raped. An old friend of mine is doing life now because he decided to start following female OSU students back to their apartments and then raping them. I just remembered the girl that lived across the hall from me who woke up to find 2 guys in her bedroom. She told us she screamed her head off but we never heard her. Luckily for her, those bad guys ran. A safe haven? OSU is not. less

John @ 11/16/2011 05:34 am

Chief Paul Denton, It is not a complicated issue. Its a basic human right recognized by the constitution. Currently only criminals are armed, law abiding citizens are not. Your view of this as 'complicated' only serves to continue to disarm those that follow the law. As I type this up I hear on the news about another robbery of a student by a person that has gun. Yes outside of campus, but again the student could not be armed as they were walking to campus and would have no way to lawfully store the gun once on campus.

jack @ 11/16/2011 08:33 am

If you have any questions regarding the CWP law or training contact www.e2c.us or 1-866-371-6111 and the Instructors at Equip 2 Conceal will be happy to help you.

Doc832 @ 11/16/2011 08:38 am

Mr Denton is sadly mistaken. Police training does nothing but waste money most of the time when it comes to violent crime. Police and sheriffs write reports they do not stop of prevent crime more than 90% of the time. If you can't defend yourself at least with self defense or firearm your probably going to be the one they are writing the report about. So many in Law enforcement believe that they are the answer to crime when in fact they do little to affect outcomes. Between talking on cell phones, answering lockout calls, dog at large, notification calls they seldom pay attention to crime. Bank tellers are instructed to NEVER hit the alarm until the criminal is out of the bank. So just how do the cops work to stop that? "More Guns Less Crime" is a great example. The unknown for the criminal is what prevents some crime, the wake up call when they are wrong is what stops it.

Steve @ 11/16/2011 09:15 am

Chief Denton, I am a military member, a concealed weapons permit holder, and a student at Ohio State. Under the current law, I am committing a felony if I bring my legally owned, registered, licensed weapon onto campus grounds. I can be trusted with an M-16 and 1,000 rounds to keep our country safe, but I can't be trusted with a 9MM to protect myself against the dregs who are preying upon college students in the areas surrounding campus. Because I am not willing to risk a felony conviction, I do not carry my weapon to and from campus. Therefore, I cannot defend myself should I be attacked. As others have mentioned, this is not a difficult concept to grasp. By making it illegal for students to lawfully carry weapons on campus, they are prime targets for criminals as they travel to/from campus. Judging by the recent surge of criminal activity in the areas just off campus, it seems that the criminals are aware of their power advantage as well. Training of law enforcement... more
Chief Denton, I am a military member, a concealed weapons permit holder, and a student at Ohio State. Under the current law, I am committing a felony if I bring my legally owned, registered, licensed weapon onto campus grounds. I can be trusted with an M-16 and 1,000 rounds to keep our country safe, but I can't be trusted with a 9MM to protect myself against the dregs who are preying upon college students in the areas surrounding campus. Because I am not willing to risk a felony conviction, I do not carry my weapon to and from campus. Therefore, I cannot defend myself should I be attacked. As others have mentioned, this is not a difficult concept to grasp. By making it illegal for students to lawfully carry weapons on campus, they are prime targets for criminals as they travel to/from campus. Judging by the recent surge of criminal activity in the areas just off campus, it seems that the criminals are aware of their power advantage as well. Training of law enforcement officers is definitely one aspect of controlling this problem, but it cannot be the only answer you're willing to entertain. Law enforcement personnel are finite; you simply do not have the manpower to protect all 60,000+ students at all times. And when seconds count, the police are minutes away. less

Ryan @ 11/16/2011 10:36 am

Clearly the LEO who was questioned is misinformed. Nearly all of the incidents reported in this article were students on their way TO or FROM CAMPUS. If they were allowed to be armed these problems may have unfolded differently. And Uweekly should probably check the URL's the put in the paper....Because Concealcampus.com does not exist.

Mike Newbern @ 11/16/2011 10:51 am

Ryan, That was clearly a typo. The URL is concealedcampus.com. A quick Google search clears that up. Also, Buckeyes for Concealed Carry on Campus can be found at facebook.com/groups/BuckeyesforConcealedCarry/. Mike Newbern Founder, Buckeyes for Concealed Carry on Campus

Eric @ 11/16/2011 11:50 am

The basic truth here is this: Anyone who believes in ANY sort of gun control must first believe that those who break OTHER laws will for some inexplicable reason choose to obey gun laws. It is a fact of objective reality that practically the only people who will OBEY gun control laws are the people that society didn't need to worry about in the first place.

Sean @ 11/16/2011 12:14 pm

Is is going to take a student getting shot, murdered, or raped before we will be able to protect ourselves? And if that does happen, will the university bare any responsibility for it's failure to protect students while violating their constitutional rights? Of course not. Like Penn State they will cover their own asses before admitting blame.

IdahoMan @ 11/16/2011 02:07 pm

"Should students be allowed to have concealed carry weapons on campus?" Who owns the particular property? If it is private, they can set the regs on who or what comes into the area for whatever reason. If it's public then they may be forced to recognize people's rights.

cowboy @ 11/17/2011 03:33 pm

when seconds count, the police are just minutes away. there is a reason people are given the right to carry a firearm in the constitution, and there is a reason you must go through a permit process to carry one concealed, criminals will carry firearms regardless of the law, restricting the rights of citizens does nothing but create a target-rich environment for criminals. OSU has no business telling us whether we can carry to defend ourselves or not, this shouldnt even be an issue, several other universities allow concealed carry on campus and guess what? it hasn't been a problem. OSU should absolutely permit licensed concealed carry on campus.

Halodog @ 11/20/2011 09:24 am

Chief Denton - how can you say you "respect and uphold" Second Admendment rights and then suggest that those very rights be limited? Can you ban First Admendment rights on the campus side of High Street and allow them on the city side. If you take the time to analyze the crime figures at Colorado State, Blue Ridge and all campuses in Utah you would see that violent crime on these campuses have decreased and there have been no "wild west" shootouts on campus.

Devil'sAdvocate @ 11/20/2011 10:15 pm

How about we just stop selling handguns period? no ones gonna walk around the columbus metropolitan area with a hunting rifle on their back. The only real reason I can think of or have heard for handguns being legal is to protect yourself from other people with handguns. Also, there have been more than 4 incidents. OSU stopped sending out the emails because either a) we get the idea or b) they don't want to make the school look like the most dangerous college in ohio OR both. I've heard theres been about 7 serious robberies of this sort.

Chuck @ 11/21/2011 05:44 pm

Chief Denton, Will your department release crime statistics for on campus crimes? How many rapes occurred last year? How many robberies, assaults, burglaries, etc?

disGRUNTled @ 12/23/2011 03:26 am

As the owner of a concealed carry permit, I feel students should be permitted to carry on campus. HOWEVER, I foresee a few problems with this. Mainly the sheltered college student seeing a legally concealed pistol, and instantly thinking another school shooting is imminent, because they are raised to believe that guns are bad and dangerous. Or someone simply calling/texting a friend (or even worse, the police) simply saying "omg the guy next to me has a gun". Nevermind that crime committed by those who own concealed carry permits is virtually non-existent. For the argument that college is a place of higher learning where people shouldn't have to worry about guns on campus, a simple life lesson (That many people either never realize or refuse to believe): The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows. There are evil people out there. You don't need a degree for that one.

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